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New Wineskins Convocation 2005
Reflections by Doug King

A conversation with a leader in the New Wineskins movement:

"Why a New Wineskins Initiative?"
[6-30-06]

In the Spring 2006 issue of Network News, which was sent to all GA commissioners and advisory delegates, Witherspoon Issues Analyst Gene TeSelle in his survey of issues coming to the 217thGeneral Assembly, listed some possible responses of the Assembly to the report of the Theological Task Force on the Peace, Unity and Purity of the Church.

The first response he mentioned was that some groups would likely oppose the report. And by way of example, he wrote:

The New Wineskins movement promises that, if this part of the Task Force report is approved, it will start a campaign to get congregations to sign a formal threat to withdraw from the church. The hope is to drive a hard bargain with the General Assembly, letting them leave with their property and continue to draw pensions. (This hardball strategy has been compared, not surprisingly, to that of Karl Rove and Tom DeLay in national politics.)  [Click here to find this paragraph in PDF format.  Just scroll or jump to page 10.]

That characterization of New Wineskins elicited an objection from Renee Guth, a member of the Board of the New Wineskins Initiative. And that sparked an exchange of views between TeSelle and Guth, leading Ms. Guth eventually to write a longer statement of the significance of purpose of New Wineskins.

We’re happy to share it with our constituency – whoever you may be!

  Click here for her comments.

Reflections on New Wineskins

More on the New Wineskins convocation:
Day 1
Day 2
Day 3
Day 4
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A bright vision with dark shadows

by Doug King
[6-30-05]


I appreciated the chance to be at the New Wineskins Convocation about ten days ago. I have tried to offer some reports on what I saw and heard there, and now it’s time to reflect a little more on the event as a whole, and what it might mean for the Presbyterian Church.

I’ll offer my own thoughts under three headings, and then a few questions I’d like to put to the organizers of New Wineskins, in the hope that all of us might understand better their vision and their plans.

A bright vision with dark shadows

The tone of the gathering was remarkably positive. My own impression was of a genuinely warm and evangelical group proclaiming "This is what we want to be and do, because it’s what we believe God is calling us to be and do." They envision a church which will have theological and ethical integrity, will be faithful in mission to convert unbelievers, and will be structurally effective – meaning flexible, serving congregations with a minimum of structure and essentially no control. More than many such gatherings, this one reflected a clear and consistent vision for a new future for the church.

Of course there was a shadow side of the picture – all the things that get in the way of a truly evangelical (or "Christian") church. That dark shadow is cast, in their view, by the Presbyterian "denomination," which is depicted as a distant structure, exercising coercive control rather than simply serving the needs of congregations. The "church" (meaning local congregations) is alive and well, and just needs to be liberated from the dead, but still controlling hand of the "bureaucrats in Louisville." There were a few specific barbs directed at Stated Clerk Clifton Kirkpatrick and his staff, some at former Moderator Susan Andrews, but mostly the complaints were more general.

Trying to understand this attitude, I asked a number of people what the problem of "too much control" really meant. I got mostly vague responses: "They don’t understand us in the congregations." "They’re just not in touch with the post-modern culture." The clearest one was a pastor’s complaint about the Committee on Ministry in his presbytery being "too controlling." I asked for more detail, and he gave some, which suggested that he wanted more control of the call process (for an associate pastor) than the COM would allow. I asked whether that was something coming from Louisville, and he acknowledged that it seemed primarily to reflect the style of his particular presbytery.

But as the panel discussion on questions of property made clear, the real issue of control is a matter of ownership. These people are looking forward (some eagerly, some reluctantly) to the time when they may feel compelled to leave the Presbyterian Church (USA). And the church’s consistent assertion that the denomination holds property in trust for its congregations is a major problem.

Culture matters

Underlying this vision was some very insightful socio-cultural analysis. But here was one point where I sensed the deepest rift between conservatives and progressives in our church – and our society – today. At the risk of vast oversimplification, I’ll try to put it this way: For the evangelicals gathered for New Wineskins, it is important to understand our changing culture, not really to learn anything from the changes, but to find the most effective ways to get the Christian message to the people who are so heavily invested in those changes.

For progressives, cultural change tends to be seen not as something "out there" to which we are immune, but as a process by which we are all profoundly shaped, and reshaped. We seek to understand the culture because we want to understand ourselves and our world, and want to effect changes in the culture and social systems in light of our understanding of God’s prophetic to God’s people.

As an old missionary sort, let me offer an analogy that might help: Some people go to a foreign culture and learn its language and culture for one central purpose: to communicate the Gospel as they understand it, so the people they can understand and believe. Others go because they want to learn a new language, want to enter into another culture, so they can talk and pray alongside the people there. They delight in the language, the literature, the art, the whole way of living, and are enriched by the encounter. In the process, they may well learn and teach all sorts of things, including new aspects of the faith that has brought them there.

Obviously lots of missionaries fall somewhere in between those extremes, but I think the basic difference remains: Is culture a necessary tool for evangelism, or is it the rich, God-given matrix of our lives, to be respected and hopefully transformed, but not simply used?

On possible futures

The New Wineskins group listed three possibilities for the future of the PC(USA) and New Wineskins. For the sake of clarity I’ll oversimplify – and I respect the fact that they are working hard at making clear that "the cement’s still wet." (Liberals might say with some respect that the group’s leaders are being "nuanced," but they may not like that label.)

  1. The PC(USA) sees the light and follows their new path into a very different future. New Wineskins plans to present overtures to the 2006 General Assembly that would open that possibility. They acknowledge that the possibility seems slim, but they affirm that God can do surprising things.
     
  2. The PC(USA) continues in darkness, taking actions that they find unacceptable. (Specifically, this would be the elimination of any of the present barriers to the ordination of glbt Presbyterians, – or any significant weakening of what they already see as the enfeebled Christology of the Presbyterian Church. They would then implement their new constitution as a kind of parallel structure to that of the denomination, withdrawing not only funds but active participation, and relying on their own networks, from local to national, to carry on essential work of leadership development, discipline, and mission.
     
  3. Presbyterians come to an amicable (?) divorce, as elements on the left and the right negotiate, perhaps along with the "broad middle," with each side presumably keeping part of the property, and establishing its own new and clearer denominational identity.


It was a remarkable gathering, offering many participants what seemed to be a moving vision for a new and more faithful church. The Presbyterian Church (USA) was mentioned usually with a tone of lament – a beloved old relative now dying. This group is not out to split the church or to kill it. The split has already happened, they believe; death is imminent, and it’s time to "let go" and move on.

Just what that moving on will mean remains to be seen. Our prayer is that it will be good for all, though we don't claim to know just what that might be.

 

Some questions for the New Wineskins initiators


I left the gathering (before it was over, due to family commitments) with a number of questions, and if any supporters of the New Wineskins Initiative would like to respond to these, I’d be grateful – as would many of our readers and visitors, I’m sure.

bulletCan you tell me more about the control issue? In what ways are people feeling unduly controlled by General Assembly and its agencies?
 
bulletSome evangelical Presbyterians have been urging the Stated Clerk to exercise more control, not less, by asserting disciplinary power against people who are accused of violating G-6.0106b, etc. So is it really a matter of wanting more control on one’s own side, and less that would inhibit one’s own plans?
 
bulletRequired "subscription" to the statements of the basic tenets and ethical imperatives, fulfillment of which is to be monitored by others in one’s ministry network, and which must be renewed annually, seems to be a fairly strong assertion of control. Is that a different and appropriate kind of control, in that it deals with beliefs and morality rather than with how churches and pastors relate to and deal with one another?
 
bulletThe Draft Constitution includes no confessional documents other than the "essential tenets" – not even Westminster. Do those historic confessions still have significance, or are you intentionally starting fresh with your own statement?
 
bulletThe delegates voted enthusiastically for the Draft Constitution. What have they done by this vote? Were they committing their Sessions to this, and if so how do they manage situations where it conflicts with the PCUSA Constitution; if not, what authority does it have?
 
bulletThe Declaration of Ethical Imperatives does include an acknowledgment that in some cases, a person’s "scruples" in relation to some ethical demand which is not addressed specifically in Scripture, might be respected. In a workshop discussion it was noted that this point was intended to give some flexibility for those who cannot support the Declaration’s absolute rejection of abortion. Is it possible that similar scruples might be allowed in other matters, or is there a theological/ethical reason why that one alone is to be permitted?
 
bulletAmong the prohibitions listed in the document as "useful boundaries for Christian behavior," you include (from Acts 15:28-29) idolatry, sexual immorality, and bloodshed – which you interpret as requiring that "the sanctity of life be honored." That’s a very strong statement, and could be the starting point for a strong prophetic critique of our American culture and its current infatuation with military power as a means to bring peace and freedom to the world. Do you see that as a possible direction your ethical obedience might take?
 
bulletMany times speakers repeated some form of the idea that Church is good, but denomination is bad. Of course that’s the assumption behind most church schisms, and the beginnings of new denominations. Do you see any way you’ll avoid becoming "just another denomination"?
 
bulletYour intention to create a looser, more flexible "post-modern" structure seems to make a lot of sense. But especially with the approval of the amendment to the Draft Constitution offered by Robert Howard, I wonder how this new structure might differ from the congregational polity of the Baptist or Congregational traditions. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but would it then make sense to continue using the name "Presbyterian"?
 
bulletSince the congregation would be the ratifying authority, elders would be given much more power than ministers in the church’s policy-making. Is that a shift that is truly understood and desired?
 

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GA actions ratified (or not) by  the presbyteries   

A number of the most important actions of the 219th General Assembly have now been acted upon by the presbyteries, confirming most of them as amendments to the PC(USA) Book of Order.

We provided resources to help inform the reflection and debate, along with updates on the voting.

Our three areas of primary interest have been:

bullet Amendment 10-A, which  removes the current ban on lesbian/gay/bisexual/transgender persons being considered as possible candidates for ordination as elder or ministers.  Approved!

bullet Amendment 10-2, which would add the Belhar Confession to our Book of Confessions.  Disapproved, because as an amendment to the Book of Confessions it needed a 2/3 vote, and did not receive that.

bullet Amendment 10-1, which  adopts the new Form of Government that was approved by the Assembly.   Approved.
 

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Some blogs worth visiting

PVJ's Facebook page

Mitch Trigger, PVJ's Secretary/Communicator, has created a Facebook page where Witherspoon members and others can gather to exchange news and views. Mitch and a few others have posted bits of news, both personal and organizational. But there’s room for more!

You can post your own news and views, or initiate a conversation about a topic of interest to you.

 

Voices of Sophia blog

Heather Reichgott, who has created this new blog for Voices of Sophia, introduces it:

After fifteen years of scholarship and activism, Voices of Sophia presents a blog. Here, we present the voices of feminist theologians of all stripes: scholars, clergy, students, exiles, missionaries, workers, thinkers, artists, lovers and devotees, from many parts of the world, all children of the God in whose image women are made. .... This blog seeks to glorify God through prayer, work, art, and intellectual reflection. Through articles and ensuing discussion we hope to become an active and thoughtful community.

 

John Harris’ Summit to Shore blogspot

Theological and philosophical reflections on everything between summit to shore, including kayaking, climbing, religion, spirituality, philosophy, theology, politics, culture, travel, The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), New York City and the Queens neighborhood of Ridgewood by a progressive New York City Presbyterian Pastor. John is a former member of the Witherspoon board, and is designated pastor of North Presbyterian Church in Flushing, NY.

 

John Shuck’s Shuck and Jive

A Presbyterian minister, currently serving as pastor of First Presbyterian Church of Elizabethton, Tenn., blogs about spirituality, culture, religion (both organized and disorganized), life, evolution, literature, Jesus, and lightening up.

 

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