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What's So Special about Interfaith Dialogue?

by the Rev. Dr. Aurelia T. Fule

[4-16-01]

The author served for many years in the Office of Theology and Worship of the General Assembly.  She is now retired and lives in Santa Fe.



The planners of the Peacemaking Conference in California last summer never imagined that the event will make headlines in so many publications. If the Rev. Dirk Ficca had just talked about love and unity, little could have been made of the reports. But to affirm, or even to imply, that God has not been left without witnesses in other religions -- that can be made into a shocking statement.. And that is what happened.

Take a look at Dr. Ficca's address -- the full text.

And click here for background on the Peacemaking Conference and the debates that followed.

Does it say something about the state of our church that wedge issues are so eagerly seized? We cannot forever debate and legislate about sex and orientation, or the status of women, or we shall be indistinguishable from the Southern Baptist Convention. So here was a whole new issue to be used by those who wish to divide the church.

The protest was raised even before the speech was available. People had neither heard nor read that speech, but they saw a brief news summary. They appear to have been unaware of long-standing Presbyterian commitments.

The Presbyterian Church (USA) and its predecessor bodies have long been engaged in interfaith dialogues. Principles and guidelines were established by General Assemblies; they are published and widely available.

Churches, including Presbyterian ones, have engaged in interfaith dialogues in Asia and Africa where Christian minorities live in the midst of indigenous or other dominant religions, and on other continents where Christianity predominates. It may be obvious why churches participate in dialogues in Asia and Africa, but why do we do so in North America? For three reasons:

First, the monotheism that trinitarian Christians uphold mandates dialogue, even if we have been very slow to discover it. If there is one and only one God, then whoever worships God -- by whatever name they call God, whether they worship many, or one of the many, or the one -- they worship God -- rightly or very wrongly -- since there is no other.

Second, a similar point is made by creation. If this expanding universe is the thought and creation of God, as Christians affirm, then all of it, and all that is in it, including the earth with all its features and creatures, are the work of the one and only God. And we recall that all human beings are created in the Image of God.

 

Finally and emphatically we engage in dialogue because Scripture instructs us so to do.



The witness of the Hebrew Scripture

God's covenant sets a people apart from others for the service and worship of God. God makes his covenant with Abram/Abraham -- the sign is circumcision; then with the Israelites -- the sign is the Law. But the circle includes more: earlier God made a covenant with Noah (Gen 6:18, 9:9-17) "... and with every living creature ... the birds, the cattle and every beast of the earth ..." This was an unconditional, cosmic covenant, promising " ... never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters." The rainbow, set in the sky, is the sign and reminder.

God blessed Noah and his sons saying "be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth," (9:1) repeating the blessing on Adam and Eve (1:28). This led many theologians, starting with Ireneus (2ndcentury), to speak of four covenants: the Adamic, the Noahic, the Abrahamic, and the Mosaic.

We rarely think of righteous persons who were not included in the Abrahamic covenant, yet enjoyed God's favor. Abel, who offered the right sacrifice; Enoch who "walked with God ... and God took him" (Gen.5:24); Melchizedek (whose name says "my king is righteous") a king of Salem and a priest of the Canaanite cult who blessed Abram in the name of "God Most High, maker of heaven and earth." (Gen.14:18-20; cf. Ps. 110:4, Heb.7:1-3)  Or patient Job in the land of Uz, perhaps Edom. They all point to God's boundless care and love, as well as to knowledge of God on their part.

God is the creator of the whole world and of all human beings. One community is chosen for service and witness, but God's care extends to all:

there shall be one law for the native and for the alien who resides among you. (Ex. 12:49)

The Scripture repeatedly points to God's activity in history:

[God) brought you out of Egypt with his own presence, by his great power, driving out before you nations. (Dt. 4:38)

There are no favorites:

Are you not like the Ethiopians to me
O people of Israel? Says the Lord.
Did I not bring Israel up from the land of Egypt
and the Philistines from Caphtor and the Arameans from Kir? (Am. 9:7)

When Judah continues on her evil ways, God will bring against her Assyria, "the rod of [God's] anger." (Isa.10:5)

The reluctant Jonah finally goes to Nineveh (Whether the book is historical or not, the lesson is the same.) and proclaims their coming destruction. We read:

When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil ways, God changed his mind. (3:l0a)

Jonah is angry.

I knew that you are a gracious God and merciful, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love ... (4:2)

The scene of God's care and activities is the whole world and all its people. The first Servant Song in Isaiah speaks of God's "chosen [who] will bring forth justice to the nations." (42:lb). He is "a covenant to the people, a light to the nations." (v. 6b) In the Second Song, God sends the servant "that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth." (49:6b) God's activity in history is always salvation history; in blessing or in judgement on Israel and the nations, the purpose is turning, changing, saving.

A message of the New Testament

Some of the evangelists saw Jesus' mission as to Israel alone, or to Israel first: "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Even so, they record that Jesus healed the daughter of the Canaanite woman. (Mt.15:21-28; Mk. 7:24-30) According to Luke (4:16-30) Jesus began his public ministry in Nazareth by reading from the prophet Isaiah (61:1-2, 58:6) words of great promise and comfort, to his hearers' approval. His comments turn satisfaction into indignation: there were many widows in Israel, yet Elijah was sent to a widow in Sidon, Jezebel's homeland! And many lepers in Israel in Elisha's day, but only one was reported cleansed, Naaman, the Syrian. God's love, like God's Spirit, does not stop at the borders.

In Jesus' parable, who has proved to be a neighbor? Not the priest nor the Levite, but the Samaritan.

John 3:16 may be the most frequently quoted verse in Scripture: "God so loved the world ..." yet it is overlooked that the "world" means the whole world. Kosmos is the word used here, and used three more times in the next verse. "God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him." (v.17)

In this same gospel Jesus Christ is "The true light, which enlightens everyone." (1:9) He is "the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world." (1:19)

Jesus speaks of himself also as "the way, the truth and the life." (Jn.14:6) Having read the Scriptures attentively one begins to see that

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life of the triune God who is not only present and at work among and for the sake of Christians but present and at work among and for the sake of all people everywhere -- including people of other faiths, people of no religious faiths ... (Shirley C. Guthrie, Always Being Reformed, p.70. Westminster John Knox Press, 1996)

Likewise Paul affirms "... in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them." (II Cor. 5:19)

What Scripture condemns is not other religions but idolatry in the surrounding nations, in Israel and in the early church. That should be a warning also to us in our society and in our church.



Reflections

The Presbyterian Church does not speak of universal salvation, because Scripture does not teach that. The destiny of others is not revealed to us. We may remember Jesus' words at his last resurrection appearance, recorded in the Fourth Gospel. When Peter "saw the disciple whom Jesus loved" he asked "Lord, what about him?" Jesus said "what is that to you? Follow me!" (Jn.21:20-22) That is still Jesus' word to us.

We read carefully the call of Abram (Gen. 12:1-3). These verses stand at the very beginning of the story of God's covenanted people, Israel. Abram is told "Go" leave your land and people, "I will make you a great nation ... and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed" or "shall bless themselves." Is it possible that this is what God is working toward -- that this is why Christians sit at table, hear from and speak with Jews and Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and others? Could this be God's work in our time?

Faithful Christians rooted in their tradition who have participated in interfaith dialogues -- Western, Asian and African theologians and church people, countless missionaries, Presbyterians among them -- tell us about righteousness, holiness, glimpses of truth that they have found in the thoughts and devotion of others. How can that be? God in Christ and through the Holy Spirit draws others in ways unknown to us. For us God's Spirit lights up the Word of God: Christ, and the word of God in Scripture. Clearly God has other ways to draw people.

Calvin, speaking of the knowledge of God the Creator wherever it is found, wrote:

... no drop will be found either of wisdom and light or of righteousness or power or rectitude, or of genuine truth, which does not flow from God and of which God is not the cause. (Inst. I. ii.1. See also II. ii.15-16)

All truth is God's truth.

Those who deny this, asserting that the only way to salvation is the confession of the name of Christ, may want to consider their picture of God. Do they really trust and worship God who saves only those who have heard of and responded to Christ, and who condemns the overwhelming majority of human beings throughout the ages? Is that the work of our Righteous Judge? Are all Turks, Japanese, Tibetans, with few exceptions, going to hell? Will they be sent there by God who cares for the sparrows? (Mt.10:29; Lk 12:6)

After reading, thinking, praying, we face God revealed and God hidden; God "whose property is always to have mercy," whose Spirit moved over the face of the water and continues to move in the universe.

We in the church are instructed by Scripture to live and to proclaim God's salvation in Christ, to be and to speak the good news. Beyond that, we leave all in God's hands, rejoicing that

The limits to salvation, whatever they may be, are known only to God. Three truths above all are certain. God is a holy God who is not to be trifled with. No one will be saved except by grace alone. And no judge could possibly be more gracious than our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. (The Study Catechism, Full Version, Q. 49)

Thanks be to God.

 

 

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GA actions ratified (or not) by  the presbyteries   

A number of the most important actions of the 219th General Assembly have now been acted upon by the presbyteries, confirming most of them as amendments to the PC(USA) Book of Order.

We provided resources to help inform the reflection and debate, along with updates on the voting.

Our three areas of primary interest have been:

bullet Amendment 10-A, which  removes the current ban on lesbian/gay/bisexual/transgender persons being considered as possible candidates for ordination as elder or ministers.  Approved!

bullet Amendment 10-2, which would add the Belhar Confession to our Book of Confessions.  Disapproved, because as an amendment to the Book of Confessions it needed a 2/3 vote, and did not receive that.

bullet Amendment 10-1, which  adopts the new Form of Government that was approved by the Assembly.   Approved.
 

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After fifteen years of scholarship and activism, Voices of Sophia presents a blog. Here, we present the voices of feminist theologians of all stripes: scholars, clergy, students, exiles, missionaries, workers, thinkers, artists, lovers and devotees, from many parts of the world, all children of the God in whose image women are made. .... This blog seeks to glorify God through prayer, work, art, and intellectual reflection. Through articles and ensuing discussion we hope to become an active and thoughtful community.

 

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John Shuck’s Shuck and Jive

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