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Overture 8, to repeal ban on gay ordination, is approved by committee

by Doug King    [6-13-01]

On Tuesday afternoon, the Committee on Ordination Standards voted by 31 to 25 to recommend to the Assembly that Overture 8, from New York City, with the addition of language from Overture 12 from the Presbytery of the Western Reserve, be approved. This came after hours of debate, during which there were at one point some 25 committee members waiting to speak.

The Presbyterian News Service report provides a helpful report of the discussion, although the lead line ("A colossal battle looms on the floor of the 213th General Assembly ...") might be read as a bit more inflammatory than necessary. The tone of the debate in committee, at least, was generally decent and orderly, with few moments in which commissioners seemed to show disrespect for other commissioners or their views.

One exception came in the closing moments of the debate, as one commissioner stepped to the microphone, Bible in hand, to read a verse or two from the Old Testament in which sin was roundly condemned. He closed by reading from 2 Timothy 4:3-4: "For the time is coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but having itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own desires, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander away to myths." He wondered aloud whether these words describe what is happened in our church. 

The final speaker, the Rev. Molly Douthett of Miami Presbytery, recalled a recent conversation with her husband as she prepared for the hard issues she would be facing at the Assembly. He assured her that "if it is the will of God, we cannot stop it. And if this is not the will of God, God will correct us." And in that assurance, she said, "It is time now to trust the Spirit."

Perhaps that note of trust in the Spirit was the dominant tone among the arguments offered in favor of Overture 8. But there were a number of other points as well, which might be summarized thus:
bulletThe real issue here is not sexuality, but the church; we need to recover our Reformed heritage of mutual forbearance and respect for the Christian conscience
bulletThis action, by returning us to the situation in our church in 1978, does offer "a third way," middle ground, partly by returning to the presbytery and session their proper role in ordination.
bulletThis is a necessary step for any study commission that may be created by the Assembly; it is not an either/or choice, between study and the deletion of G-6.0106b. These can be parallel processes which may move us beyond constant wrangling and allow us to engage more fully in the church's true mission.
bulletAs our church has long affirmed, there are various ways of interpreting scripture, and we do not impose any one interpretation on anyone. The statement issued by 33 professors of Bible at our Presbyterian seminaries reinforced this view.
bulletThe deletion of the current ban ordination of gay and lesbian persons does not compel any session or presbytery to do anything; it simply allows those who in good conscience, and in light of their understanding of the Bible and our confessions believe that ordination is appropriate, do act accordingly.
bulletThe classic Reformation view that God alone is our judge, and that we are called not to judge but to love, was frequently mentioned.
bulletThe biblical injunctions against idolatry were also seen as important in this matter, as a number of speakers expressed their concern about the elevation of certain biblical passages, or particular human views of sexuality and morality, to the status of absolutes.
bulletFinally, personal stories -- from people who gave testimony during the open hearing and from members of the committee -- led a number of committee members to rethink their own positions. [You can read to of those personal statements here -- one from a woman who has served our church at the national level, the other from a Youth Advisory Delegate who has dealt with this issue in the life of her own family .]

Check out our listing of resources for the discussion of overture 01-08.

 

 
 

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