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Hal Porter reflects on the defeat of "A"

REFLECTIONS on the Defeat of Amendment A in the Presbytery of Cincinnati - 95 yea, 113 nay - And What is Next?

[3-13-02]

The actual vote, last night, in this presbytery mirrors the denomination at large, but there is no solace in that. There first came a strongly supported motion that our presbytery not vote at all - which could only be interpreted that this matter is not worth voting for! But finally we did vote, and I had hoped, in spite of the already defeat of Amendment A, that the Presbytery of Cincinnati would pass it for the primary reason that it would have said to our gay and lesbian members that we support you even though the denomination as a whole does not. It is regrettable that the our presbytery did not. Clearly it is another nail in the flesh of the hundreds of homosexual members in our presbytery whose faith and being, that so many others and I, accept, love and delightfully rejoice in.

What now? I believe, even though it is surely important that 45% of our presbyters voted for it, and nearly 48 presbyteries will have done so, that this is not primarily where we should find hope. Our best hope is that regardless of this derogation, our homosexual brothers and sisters will know more fully that since God is for them, who can be against them? That they will more clearly know and affirm that not even persecution can separate them from the love of Christ or Christ's love for them.

I pray that is where their faith is and I have witnessed it. Not only because it is a true but because in their faith, we have the authentic hope we need if we are truly to become the body of Christ. Their faith is what we all need if we are to have any fidelity as a church, as Presbyterians.

Some may say, even those who are among the persecuted, that this is too much to ask. It is surely understandable that the persecuted would say, "Why should I be a part of a denomination that rejects me? Besides, there are other churches that do not." This is certainly an option and one can not fault those who would now leave the Presbyterian Church. I have been contemplating that option myself and I am not among the persecuted - it is only my understanding of faith that is being rejected.

But I shall stay. I will stand with our homosexual brothers and sisters who, too, will decide to stay. In doing so, I hope we will together continue to be open in our dissent; that we will not comply with any measure in this denomination that denigrates, in any way, homosexual persons; that we will continue in faith until this church accepts homosexual persons as equal members of this church and in society - or until we are removed from the Presbyterian Church.

The hope before us is with those, our homosexual brothers and sisters, who are serving God after the manner of Jesus Christ.

Hal Porter
Cincinnati, Ohio
March 13,2002



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The Rev. Hal Porter, H.R., is former pastor of Mount Auburn Presbyterian Church in Cincinnati.

 

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GA actions ratified (or not) by  the presbyteries   

A number of the most important actions of the 219th General Assembly have now been acted upon by the presbyteries, confirming most of them as amendments to the PC(USA) Book of Order.

We provided resources to help inform the reflection and debate, along with updates on the voting.

Our three areas of primary interest have been:

bullet Amendment 10-A, which  removes the current ban on lesbian/gay/bisexual/transgender persons being considered as possible candidates for ordination as elder or ministers.  Approved!

bullet Amendment 10-2, which would add the Belhar Confession to our Book of Confessions.  Disapproved, because as an amendment to the Book of Confessions it needed a 2/3 vote, and did not receive that.

bullet Amendment 10-1, which  adopts the new Form of Government that was approved by the Assembly.   Approved.
 

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Some blogs worth visiting

PVJ's Facebook page

Mitch Trigger, PVJ's Secretary/Communicator, has created a Facebook page where Witherspoon members and others can gather to exchange news and views. Mitch and a few others have posted bits of news, both personal and organizational. But there’s room for more!

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Voices of Sophia blog

Heather Reichgott, who has created this new blog for Voices of Sophia, introduces it:

After fifteen years of scholarship and activism, Voices of Sophia presents a blog. Here, we present the voices of feminist theologians of all stripes: scholars, clergy, students, exiles, missionaries, workers, thinkers, artists, lovers and devotees, from many parts of the world, all children of the God in whose image women are made. .... This blog seeks to glorify God through prayer, work, art, and intellectual reflection. Through articles and ensuing discussion we hope to become an active and thoughtful community.

 

John Harris’ Summit to Shore blogspot

Theological and philosophical reflections on everything between summit to shore, including kayaking, climbing, religion, spirituality, philosophy, theology, politics, culture, travel, The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), New York City and the Queens neighborhood of Ridgewood by a progressive New York City Presbyterian Pastor. John is a former member of the Witherspoon board, and is designated pastor of North Presbyterian Church in Flushing, NY.

 

John Shuck’s Shuck and Jive

A Presbyterian minister, currently serving as pastor of First Presbyterian Church of Elizabethton, Tenn., blogs about spirituality, culture, religion (both organized and disorganized), life, evolution, literature, Jesus, and lightening up.

 

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