Welcome to Witherspoon on the Web       

News and networking for progressive Presbyterians

Home page

Ordination concerns

Immigrant rights

War on Iraq

Search Archive
2006 General Assembly Global & Social concerns Election 2008 Israel & Palestine About us Just for fun

News of the PC(USA)

Torture --
It's time to resist!
Other churches, other faiths War on Iran?? Join us! Notes from your WebWeaver

What's Where

Our reports about the
2008 General Assembly

You'll find much more on the GA at JustPresbys -- the shared website of 6 progressive Presbyterian organizations.

ABOUT US

The Summer 2008 issue of
Network News
is posted here
- in Adobe PDF format.

Click here for earlier issues
Adobe PDF  Click here to download (free!) Adobe Reader software to view this and all PDF files.

News of the Society
How to join us
Witherspoon's
Global Engagement Initiative
Dancing with God -- reports from the 2005 Witherspoon conference on mission for peace and justice

SEARCH

CONNECTIONS

Coming events calendar 

Do you want to announce an event?
Please send a note!
Food for the spirit
Book notes

Go to  Amazon.com

LINKS

NEWS of the Presbyterian Church

Got news??
Send us a note!
Women's Concerns
Social and global concerns
The Middle East conflict
The War in Iraq
Hurricane Katrina
U. S. Politics
Election 2008
Economic justice
Fair Food Campaign
Sexual justice
Amendment 08-B
for inclusive ordination
Peacemaking & international concerns
Caring for the environment
Immigrant rights
Racial concerns
Church & State
The death penalty
The media
OTHER CHURCHES, OTHER FAITHS
Do you want regular e-mail updates when stories are added to our web site?
Just send a note!
The WebWeaver's Space
ARCHIVES
JUST FOR FUN
Want books?
Search Now:

 

Layman responds to statement by Moderator and Stated Clerk

The Layman has responded to the letter from the Moderator and the Stated Clerk by posting supportive words from Bob Davis, executive director of the Presbyterian Forum, a conservative organization that works closely with the Lay Committee.

Davis asserts that the General Assembly leaders are mistaken in their criticisms of the Layman's charges, and charges that the leaders are trying "to isolate and alienate The Layman" from other conservative groups. He bases this partly on the fact that Moderator Jack Rogers acknowledged to the recent Denver gathering of evangelicals that there may be many supporters of the confessing church movement who are not supportive of the "apostasy" charges, and who do not appear intent on splitting the church.

Interestingly, the Layman's headline states: "Forum leader says moderator, stated clerk were out of line." Well, yes - Davis does use those words in his statement, but he uses them to summarize what Rogers and Kirkpatrick were saying about the Layman, and not to describe the actions of the two GA leaders themselves.

The rest you can read for yourself.

A visitor comments on Bob Davis' defense of the Layman

We received this note from Jonathan Justice, who describes himself as "a long time MLP activist and gardener, now at home again in Indiana." [8-15-01]


Goodness! Whyever would sensible people conspire to isolate The Lay Committee? How hard would they have to work to beat the Lay Committee's 24 Members, 6 Emerti, and 4 Staffers at something which they have managed to do so well for themselves?

As I have suggested elsewhere, the Lay Committee's grasp of polity is problematical. Having skated along for years on wishful thinking about being in charge, their writers have now done a Napoleon routine and crowned themselves Ecclesiastical Authority. Unfortunately, they have neglected to conquer Italy, or much else. Mr. Bonaparte had both the general excuse of having survived the excesses of the French Revolution and sufficient clout to make it stick for a while.

The Lay Committee seems to suppose that the money that Mr. Pew's Foundation pumps into its budget constitutes a reasonable substitute. (Yes, Mr. Bonaparte did publish a highly partisan 'newspaper' too.) I do suppose that "discovering" and pimping a leadership-oriented Presbyterian version of the Confessing Church movements will keep the money flowing for a while, but we would all do well to remember just how close his little Conquest of Egypt came to killing off Mr. Bonaparte.

I can certainly believe that the Stated Clerk and the Moderator would know what they are talking about, since they are, after all, the chief elected national officers of our church. When they suggest that the professional scofflaws at the Lay Committee would do well to address matters of the life of the our church with a certain judicious moderation, it does not strain my credulity much at all. Unfortunately, neither does the Lay Committee's B-movie performance of Righteous Fury as Generals Pique and Obfuscation.

We should all remember that whatever the outcomes of the initiatives arising from the 213th General Assembly and the broader PresbyRight's responses to them, the Lay Committee will continue to find noxious tangents to run off on. That is its job.

Jonathan Justice

Please share your thoughts!

 
 

If you like what you find here,
we hope you'll help us keep this website going ... and growing!

Please consider making a special contribution -- large or small -- to help us continue and improve this service.

Click here to send a gift online, using your credit card, through PayPal.

Or send your check, made out to "Witherspoon Society" and marked "web site," to our Witherspoon  Bookkeeper:

Susan Robertson  
9650 Clover Circle
Eden Prairie, MN  55347

 

An index of our reports from

 

 

 

BECOMING NEIGHBORS:
An Invitation
to Global Discipleship

A Witherspoon conference
on global mission and justice

September 16 - 19, 2007
Louisville, Kentucky

 

Check out our report from the Conference
on
Terror, Torture,
and Security

 

To top

© 2007 by The Witherspoon Society.  All material on this site is the responsibility of the WebWeaver unless other sources are acknowledged.  Unless otherwise noted, material on this site may be copied for personal use and sharing in small groups.  For permission to reproduce material for wider publication, please contact the WebWeaver, Doug King.  Any material reached by links on this site is outside the control and responsibility of the WebWeaver and The Witherspoon Society.  Questions or comments?  Please send a note!